The Doc Sports Affiliate Program
So does anyone have an opinion about the Doc Sports affiliate program? Good, bad, indifferent? I notice that they're some kind of feature program over at PAL, so I thought I'd ask if anyone here had any experience, good or bad, promoting the Doc Sports affiliate program.
I don't think anyone will have much feedback on it because it's brand new. Jeremy and Greg are the AMs and are just getting it set up.
I wrote a longer post prior but to keep it short programs these guys are the AMs for have not done well in the past (a long history of this). There's initial excitement everyone jumps in and soon later Jeremy and Greg are not involved anymore. Brandon was pushed by these guys as well so if including him an off the top of my head list stinky fish poker, chan poker, aced poker for Brandon. PokerHeaven, CardSpike, Tower for Greg. PAW Network, Some affiliate payment e-wallet for Jeremey. His name used in a few other things like PokerNations. Most recently their silver and gold deal. I'm sure there was several others. Anyways this is what these guys do (I think anyways) get paid to set up affiliate programs, get things started etc, but a long history of things not turning out well for those who jump on board and build websites around their latest gigs. Don't get my wrong, both seems like great guys outside that issue, and Jeremy runs a good forum, only on the dealing with them on new start up affiliate programs do I see a poor track record.
Regarding Doc - typical tout, plus promotes sportsboks. Their write ups are pretty funny and meant for square punters ass sports betting doesn't work that way. Originally these guys wrote and rewrote their websites over and over (they had to because they suck at sports betting) eventually they just gave up and stopped making claims (now sell picks through multiple sites). Doc promotes sports books and ranks for all sorts of things. I haven't checked out the affiliate program but I'd sure assume you're sending people to his affiliate site (meaning his site that affiliates sportsbooks - of which he's shown in the past he has no qualms selling ads to borderline scams. Also the idea Doc has some amazing reputation is extremely fabricated, even degens that buy tons of picks don't often buy his.. As for featured in.. this, this and that.. he's been around a long time (I'd question if some of those are simply news paper ads they paid for too, would love to see proof of all the places he's featured and see what it was) but a lot are probably quotes. Keep in mind sports betting was viewed even by legal experts as 100% legal when done offshore. CBS was in the business, major US media sources covered it all the time, with quotes from all sorts of people - Even ESPN featured professionals picks with point spreads, and sports illustrated would do full page articles on touts. 60 minutes covered big bookies, Tom Brokaw interviewed touts on NBC's Today Show (much different business back then). Listen, I've been scouting betting forums non stop for a decade. Any thread I've ever seen on Doc (and there hasn't been many even in the share paid picks sections) has been LOL and a story about how bad he is or some minor negative experience (or in a few cases people accusing of "join a betting team" can't lose, wire me a bunch of money fraud") There is no "doc sports brand name recognition" here only the illusion of that fact via self published stories.
I certainly wouldn't campaign against promoting them just not impressed with what I see so far.
Last edited by Prop; 12-18-2011 at 10:08 AM.
To put it in another post outside the negative comments the program could turn out to be good and I have no issues with Jeremy, Greg or Morey I do wish them well and would be curious to hear how the program goes for everyone.
I don't see they have an affiliate program but fwiw Right Angle Sports is the most reputable sports betting service among savvy punters. Their prices are quite steep can see here: http://www.handicapper.net/order.php
If I was to believe anyone was actually not simply fans picking out a hat or based on opinion it would be this group; these are guys are sharp and I've seen their information shared enough to know that the people behind the picks actually understand handicapping and sports betting math.
However they are not without with their critics, some of the bettors I most respect have been highly critical of RAS. Basically accusing them of selling picks they didn't actually bet themselves. The reason why is they release a lot of plays on small markets (had they bet themselves while it was +EV the line they are selling the pick at wouldn't still be there). Just the nature of how sports betting works. So you have these hungry people buying paying their $395 per week and standing by. The second RAS releases a play on a small market the comparison odds sites light up with everyone going nuts racing to bet. On a small market the line will move significantly. I don't have the energy to track it but more likely than not you could get the RAS service play sit wait for everyone to bet and then just bet the other side. Some have actually accused RAS of doing this themselves because there is a lot of revere steam on their plays. +7 on a small market released as a play.. moves to +6.5 moves to +6.. then -6, -6.5 gets hammers over and over and the line balances out. So their selling picks only a few people can benefit from. because smaller markets.
They're still smart though and will get better picks with them than others. It does appear they release a lot of plays. If you could get every single bet they offer at the prices they offer it, it would no doubt be well worth it. I doubt you can though. Still.. while I have no interest in selling picks this is for sure a company I would promote on rev share if I did as I believe they're actually doing a lot of work prior to releasing the plays. handicappers as opposed to touts. No idea if they'd be interested but would be a company worth dropping a line.
Also fwiw I haven't seen it in quite some time..(but haven't been looking) but back in 2006 there was a lot of adsense advertisements for picks and people were crazy on social network sites pushing their picks sites which were loaded with ads. I've also seen that a lot of the tout sites buy links.
Another thing worth mentioning for anyone not familiar with this niche. At most all sports betting forums you can get these picks for free. There are people that pay and share them with the entire group in the service play forums (some of these have 20,000 posts threads were every pick for a certain high profile tout they don't like has been shared and tracked to show how bad they are losing *example Brandon Lang*.
Finally I don't know a ton about it, but Kevin who runs thesportsgeek.com has some sort of picks deal too and someone was just telling me they did well promoting it.
I've had a bit of experience with Docs... I had a good month or two and then a few months of really small payments and now since I stopped promoting them I haven't received commissions from them since.
**EDIT** Update: I guess they have a term/condition where you need to be active to receive commissions. I did a mailer for them and got my pending commissions that had built up. They seem like good guys over there that will pay you if you are actively promoting.
Last edited by KevinMcC; 07-16-2012 at 10:55 PM.
Any updates? I'm curious if anyone has promoted the program or seen any success with it?
Honestly, it seems to me like it would be a whole lot more profitable to sell your own picks rather than deal with an affiliate program for another company that sells sports betting picks, but I'm probably missing something. I'll rely on some of my friends here in the community to point out the errors in my thinking here.
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